Sloan responds to questions on IQ and SQ:

Any message I get that may be of general interest to visitors to the SQ web site is added to this section, along with my reply. This preserves the dialogue as a sort of FAQ (frequently asked questions).

Period covered: January 1, 2000 to October 31, 2004

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Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:11:58 -0700 (PDT)


"tayfun doðan" <>




hi , I am studying about social intelligence for my master
thesis. but I couldnt reach enough document about SQ
especially SQ SCALES. Can you help me? if you help me
I will be very happy.

Sloan replies: Tayfun, there are over 140 pages on my SQ website. Check out, which lists and provides links to all them. You might start with the page on Range and calculation of SQ scores, which includes a graph of actual SQ data from a classroom.



Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:19:20 EDT


IQ information


do you know what the average iq is for a 14 year old?

Sloan replies: At every age level, the average IQ is now set up to be 100. But that does not mean that an average 14 year old would get the same number of right answers on an IQ or SAT test as someone 18 or older. Traditionally that 14yo would have been expected to score 14/18 or 0.78 as well as an adult. But psychologists have moved away from age-differentiated IQ scores, and I am not aware of any such current data.


Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:59:16 -0400


Re: Age


"Will Bennett" <>


"Van Sloan" <>

I have a question for you.  How does age affect spatial ability?

Sloan replies: Will, check out the findings and graph on my webpage. Spatial ability is one of the fluid intelligences that seem to decline after early adulthood.





Questions about IQ's


Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:43:12 -0500

As a child I was tested, my score at that time was 136, however in the 18 years that have now passed since that was done I feel my IQ quite possibly has dropped dramatically? The score was never actually told to me until about 5 years after the initial test by a well meaning teacher that felt it would motivate me to study more for 6th grade classes. My family never spoke about the score. Still to this day I have never seen the papers or official report on my score.

This is my question to you?? Do you feel that a person's IQ could severely drop 30 or more points over the period of 18 years? I have never taken another formal test, only the generic ones they give for free online. They say my score now is only 115. Is that a possible thing or should I go and get my self re-tested at a reputable testing center?

Thank you for your time, Stacey

Sloan replies: Stacey, it's not likely that your IQ has dropped 21 points. If you took an SAT or ACT test for college, you can get a good IQ of your IQ using the chart at my webpage. See my response to similar questions at - on 9/24/04 and 9/17/04.


Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:58:54 -0700


"Scott Goodman" <>


Mulitple Intelligences "Theory"


Hello,   I am currently writing a short essay debunking multiple intelligence "theory".  I have corresponded with several people on the essay so far, including Dan Willingham and Jim Delisle.  I have been trying to track online down copies of Perry Klein's critique and exchange with Gardner in the Canadian Journal of Education.  Do you know where they can be found and do you have any other references to suggest?
Scott Goodman, British Columbia 

Sloan replies:  Scott, perhaps you saw my MI webpage   Unfortunately I do not have more to offer beyond the links on that page.   I think that even Gardner would agree that his MI theory is outside the mainstream of psychological thinking.  


"Nicholas Ballard" <>





Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:59:32 -0600

Hi, how are you doing?  In the newspaper article, it said that
hair length, short preferred, has a negative affect on SQ.  I 
was wondering why that is?
Thanks, Nick

Sloan replies: Nick, the negative reaction to long hair was only for males. (See all traits rated at : What I saw when SQ surveys were done in high school classrooms was that students were reacting more against the anti-social attitudes of those with long hair, rather than to the hair itself. This contrasted with their negative reaction to fat females, which seemed to be a real physical prejudice.


Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:57:53 -0400


Spatial Abilities


"Will Bennett" <


Dear Van.

I am doing a science fair experiment to see how age and gender affects spatial abilities. I read your article and found it very interesting. Could you tell me about the IQ and gender factors of spatial abilities? Thank you.

Will Bennett of The Oakwood School

Sloan replies: Will, my webpage includes "Ability types at which males are better: The largest difference is that in spatial ability; the mental manipulation of figures in two or more dimensions. The difference varies from .3 to .5 SD." SD means Standard Deviations, which you can see marked just below the graph at



"Lisa Nilsen (TEXT100 NZ)" <>





Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:51:22 +0800

Hi Van

I've been reading with interest your work on the adversity quotient, and wondered if you had conducted any work on an 'ambition quotient' or know of anyone else who has? Many thanks for your help.

Lisa Nilsen

Sloan replies: Lisa, yes I have done work on measuring ambition. Check out my webpages starting at I did develop a type of Ambition Quotient. As reported in item 4 at "In six high school classes which took a Jobs/ Ambition survey, the males did indeed score higher in Ambition than did the females (101 vs 97) " Like most looking at success, I believe that Ambition has much more influence than Adversity Quotient. For example, see "Aspirations appear to be very important" at


Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:42:04 -0400


"Mary Kaminski" <


screening minorities as potentially gifted


I am the gifted coordinator for Lorain County and one of my districts is Oberlin, Ohio.  This is a multi mixed ratio of minorities.  The concern has been raised that the minorities are not being identified because of the structure of the tests they are given.  Do you have any suggestions for a more reliable test.
Thanks, Mary Lou Kaminski

Sloan replies: Mary, you describe a common problem in many Gifted and college admissions programs - a problem of unrealistic expectations. When the average IQ for groups range from 103 for Asians to 85 for African-Americans, it is not realistic to expect any IQ test to identify similar percentages of gifted minorities. But there seems to be little difference among racial groups in skills that are just as important to financial success as IQ. See for a newspaper article on how Florida schools are using these other talents to help identify students for their Gifted programs.


"Miroslav Milosevic" <miki_m@beotel.yu>



about your IQ country page, Sir


Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:30:13 +0200

Why you still treat Serbia as a global reject?

Why is it out of the list?

Sloan replies: Miroslav, nobody I know considers Serbia a global reject. But you do raise a good question about my page. The list of national IQ's includes Slovenia and Croatia but no other parts of the former Yugoslavia. The source list of 185 national IQ's at adds Macedonia, but not Serbia or Bosnia. I am forwarding this email to (the developer of the national IQ numbers), in the hopes that he will answer your question.

Response from Lynn's co-author


Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:59:32 +0200




"Tatu Vanhanen" <>


Dear Van Sloan,

My colleague Richard Lynn forwarded to me your question concerning  Serbia's national IQ. In our 2002 book, we gave national IQs for Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, and Yugoslavia. Bosnia and Herzegovina was excluded from That study. Yugoslavia included Serbia and Montenegro at that time. So Serbia was not excluded. Our next possible book will cover also Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Best regards,  Tatu Vanhanen

Sloan comments further: Miroslav, here is the explanation from the expert on your October 7 question. At the IQ for Yugoslavia is shown as 93, based on Croatia 90, Slovenia 95.



Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:19:54 EDT


Are you certain more Blacks live in the South?


I take issue with your reasoning about the IQ scores and Blacks. I do not believe more African Americans live in Southern states at all. I think it is fair to say that large, metropolitan areas are more likely to contain higher-functioning, slightly more intelligent people than average due to industry, technology and better earnings. I do not believe the ACT or SAT are fair measurements of IQ either. These are tests for students who are seeking significantly advanced higher education.

Dr. William Christopher Corrado
Director of Education
430 North Rodeo Drive
Beverly Hills, California 90210

Sloan replies: Dr. Corrado, let's check the data. I had written that "The most likely reason for the lower IQ's in southern states is their significant Black population." The chart below (from shows that most of the states with a high percentage of minorities are Southern. The minority numbers in New Mexico, California, Texas, and probably New York include large Latino components. One could calculate the percentages of Blacks in states from census data at

2000 Modified Race Data, Bureau of the Census

of Total
District of Columbia
New Mexico
New York
South Carolina
New Jersey
North Carolina


On ACT and SAT being fair representation of IQ, there are many leading professors (as Gardner and Steele) who feel they are. See their comments at The IQ's of SAT and ACT test takers have been reduced by an average of 10 points to generate a set of state IQ scores averaging 100. For most states, a very large percentage of high school graduates took one of the two tests. There is no reason to suspect that actual IQ's in states with significant Black populations not taking the test would be higher than states with largely Whites not taking the test. If anything, the actual IQ's in Southern states might be lower than I calculated.


Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:00:25 -0700 (PDT)


"Parhatsathid Napatalung" <>


Re: Meet in Bangkok in November?


"Van Sloan" <>

Note: This email is from the creator of - one of the most viewed pages on this website.

Dear Van Sloan:

I am more than happy to meet you in Bangkok in November. And yes, your SQ is indeed very interesting and hope to discuss more. The reason why corruption vs. IQ topic came up was based on a long standing observation that businessmen hires an executive on his credibility more than his intelligence. Which is an important point why corruption which is measurable form of credibility is more important than intelligence.

As such, this makes your SQ economically relevant. One of the form of intelligence which completely escapes IQ other than SQ is perhaps, common sense or the "big picture" holistic kind of thought - an ability that is so hard to find these days especially in Asia. The trend toward specialists in U.S. is occuring with so many specialists that holistic approach (as in Medicine) completely escapes them, something I referred to as "Rain Man" intelligence (based on movie by Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise). Rain Man means the person knows a lot but understands nothing.

Well, anyway see you in November. I might visit your sight and add some more updates if I find them relevant. Thank you very much. Ted

Sloan replies: Ted, it will be fun to meet and exchange ideas face to face. On a recent trip to Bali, I heard much about corruption in Indonesia. America has some well publicized business problems, but corruption does not pervade everyday affairs. When you revisit my SQ website, you might want to start with which lists all pages. I have added several recently, such as which starts with data you developed and presents observations for Central and South American nations.



Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:45:23 -0700 (PDT)


"michael " <>


about IQ Tests


Hello Sir,  I have a big problem and I hope you can help me out. 
I don't trust myself :-( and I have only high school.
I had a problem with math but I believe that there was
no good teachers in the school to help me understand
good. I'm 22 now. I'm Egyptian. I took 4 IQ Tests
(Online) 130, 120 and 110 this was my scores. some
people said that Online IQ Test is not good so what
can you say?    what can I do?
Thanks, Michael

Sloan replies: Michael, the wide variation in your IQ results is proof that online IQ tests are not very reliable. For suggestions, see my response to GKW on 17 Sept 2004 below


"Andy Beresford" <>



jewish iq


Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:11:55 -0400

I found your site on a search for the Bell Curve graph. I thought I'd give you my two cents worth:

"Jews have an average IQ that is .84 standard deviations above that of white gentiles. The average for white gentiles is 100. For Jews it is 112."

I am sure this is a result of the strict inbreeding that Jews practice, always warning against intermarriage, and the high pressure parenting of "be a doctor or a lawyer, or marry one, "etc among their own.

In our society however they preach the exact opposite for us, and were instrumental in changing our immigration laws, the civil rights movement, striking down our laws banning interracial marriage, and now greatly encouraging it on tv.

I think it would be hard to even test white IQ in the U.S. as there are so many of even slightly mixed race, and as Jews themselves tell us, there is no genetic reason for IQ disparity, only white racism and neglect, poorly funded inner city schools, etc. are to blame. Many "experts" even tell us now there is no such thing as race.

Sloan replies: Andy, racial categories for IQ group averages are usually determined by self-marking, such as by the takers of SAT tests. Group differences in IQ are noticeable, even when adjusted for income and social class. Since most researchers agree that IQ is largely fixed by age five, IQ must have a large genetic component. My page describes current thinking on the causes of group IQ differences, as with Jews.


Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:57:22 -0700 (PDT)


"G. K. W." <>


IQ Test and results


I took an online test and it gave me my score, But I'm
not satisfied. I don't think it was a very acurate
test. I scored a 120 but I feel that if I were to take
a more acurate test that I would score lower. I took
the test at I'm not so sure how
acurate they are, so I was wondering if you could give
me a web site that has a more acurate test. Before I
took the test at I've never taken an IQ
test before. I know usually for a very acurate test
you have to pay, but I can't afford it right now with
our finances being so poor. If you could help me out
that would be much appriciated.

Sloan replies: It's sensible to wonder about the results of online IQ tests. I do not recommend any as truly accurate, but prefer ones with time controls. If you really want to know your IQ, you might consider taking the SAT-1 test. Many employers feel they are good measures of intelligence, a useful asset in most jobs. You can use the chart at to translate SAT into IQ scores.

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:58:54 EDT
Subject: Mexican Immigration

Mr. Sloan:    I have enjoyed a great deal of what you have written on your websites; however, one comment, for such an intelligent man, struck me as being just plain silly. You write:

"On average, migrants with larger IQ's and ambition are able to foil the US border protection systems, often on a 2nd or 3rd attempt. In contrast, their less talented countrymen are turned back or get discouraged from even trying to enter the US illegally. The net result is that the pool of talented people in the US grows, while other countries suffer a "brain drain." I do not know where you reside in the US or what your experience has been in regard to meeting and/or working with illegal Mexican immigrants but I have lived 18 years in Houston, TX, have spents summers in Central America and just returned from spending almost 2 years in Mexico.  I know them well.   Those crossing the border from the Mexico into the US are usually the poorest of the poor and the least intelligent of all Mexicans.  These are usually the least successful in their own countries and have IQ's lower than the average Mexican.  We are by no means a "brain drain" on Mexico.  I wish that we were. If we start to recruit their professors, engineers, talented artists, doctors, etc. then I could agree.  A simple, well organized IQ test of Mexican immigrants will dispell any notion that we are a brain drain on Mexico.   Our "rather porous" border policy may exist for many reasons, one of which is most certainly to have access to "cheap labor," but it is not as a source of "intellectually gifted" people. The Best to You,    Alan

Sloan replies: Alan, thanks for your helpful comments.  They have led me to revise the paragraph you quoted. While I believe the number of work visas for the talented ought to be increased, it seems that the current immigration system is working to the benefit of the US economy. Revised part of http://SQ.4mg.comn/IQdifferences.htm : 7. Current US border enforcement procedures may contribute to the economic strength of the US.  On one hand, high IQ individuals outside the US are encouraged by employers here to get US work visas.  On another track, the semi-porous border with Mexico tends to select for desirable workers.  On average, the migrants with greater ambition and above average IQ are able to foil the US border protection systems. As in point 1 above, the average IQ of Mexican-Americans is greater than the average IQ in Mexico.  The net result is that the pool of talented workers in the US grows, to the detriment of their native countries.  One drawback might be the feisty youth gangs in Los Angeles and other barrios of illegals. But the overall benefits of an inflow of ambitious talent filtered illegally into the US likely far exceed such drawbacks.

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:28:30 EDT
Subject: Re: IQ Findings

If Anglos are so intelligent, why have they only become civlized in the last 2,000 years? They are intellectual babies in comparison to the Mayans, Aztecs, Incas, Egyptians, Babylonians, and the Chinese. If you really believe that education has nothing to do with the intelligence testing success, your thinking is flawed. Perhaps you should open your mind to other possibilities. The United States has only been the world's greatest power for the last half-century. The world has been here for hundreds of millions of years. They have dominated a rather short period of the history of the world.

Why do you not have any of the indigenous American groups listed on those civilizations? The Olmec civilization dates back to 3,000 BC, and that date is being pushed further back with every discovery. How can you not include a culture as advanced as the Mexica (Aztec), Maya and Inca? The American people today couldn't build the pyramids of Egypt or Mexico/Central America. You do not consider these civilizations advanced. The reason why you do not know of any "influential figures" is because the Spaniards burned all of the Mexica & Mayan literature. It took 3 straight days to burn all of the books of the Mexica.

You cannot say that the takeover of the Americas came due to the invasion of an advanced culture. Unleashing bio-weaponry (smallpox) and using inventions (gunpowder, iron melding) from other cultures does not mean a culture is more advanced. For example, the Germanic tribes overtook the Roman empire, which was far more advanced than the German nomads.Several influential philosophers of the Mexica were named Quetzalcoatl after the Aztec deity. If all of the books of the Americans today were destroyed, their statues demolished, and their history oppressed, we would hear future civlizations speaking the same nonsense that ignorant Eurocentric thinkers now claim.

Sloan replies:   Your emails show that my websites have stimulated your thinking (both my IQ one and - World Leadership Centers).  It is impossible to completely remove one's cultural biases in matters like IQ and history.   In these areas I have tried hard to present impartial data and generally accepted theories.   On unsettled matters like ethnic IQ differences or Quetzalcoatl, I just offer reasonable explanations, not assertions.  In searching for truth, it's good to let the chips fall where they may, regardless of our biases.  Would an Anglo like me normally celebrate Hong Kong and Korea as having the highest IQ's, on  - my most popular webpage?

Response from SaVaGeAssMeXiCaN: For the SAT scores, I was unable to find the same article I read before. But let me present some more information that supports my statement that oppressed, poor, and uneducated people are less likely to have higher IQ and SAT scores.

In Northern Ireland, Protestants, who are the dominant group, score 15 points higher than Catholics, the oppressed minority, on IQ tests.

Polish Jews were discriminated against when they first migrated to this country. During this time, they were considered to be an inferior race, and their IQs at the time reflected this. Russian Jews scored very low on IQ tests when they first came to America. Now both groups' IQs are above the average 100. You do not believe their oppression upon arrival had anything to do with those low scores?

Koreans & Japanese people are of the same race. The individual countries score around the same on IQ tests, as do Americans of those races. If they are the same, then why is it that Koreans who migrate to Japan, who become oppressed, score much lower on IQ tests than the Japanese or Koreans in Korea?

Perhaps the most dramatic example is the Northern Irish. Even though they come from the same ethnic group, Catholics (the discriminated minority) score 15 points lower on IQ tests than Protestants.

As I have stated before, oppression creates ignorance. As my GATE (class for students with IQs above 132) teacher once told me, you either know how to spell a word or you don't. Knowing a word doesn't make you any smarter than the next man. This can be applied to IQ and especially SAT tests, which uses vocabulary as a large part of the exam.

Sloan replies:  Your theory that oppression affects IQ may relate mostly to inadequate test procedures.  Immigrants to America and Japan often do not understand the questions as well as native born speakers, nor do they know the local culture of the tests. Your example of Northern Ireland is harder to explain.  I would welcome seeing the 15 point data you mention, plus what others have said about it.  Race does seem to contribute to differences in average group intelligence. Nobody would claim that Whites in America are oppressed because they get lower average SAT scores than Asian-Americans.  Might not African-American and Latino SAT results also reflect naturally different average IQ's, even after allowing for oppression and test imperfections?

NOTE: SaVaGeAssMeXiCaN appears to get many of his "facts" from This website seems biased and scientifically unreliable.


Peter S.
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:03:46 EDT
Subject: SQ Test

On your SQ test I scored 5 highs and 3 lows, and as far as I understand the test, I did good. But on the SQ test I scored only a 25, a really low score. I checked out the answers on the Utne test, and it seemed most of the time you either picked the right answer or you get 0 points. On IQ tests I have scored well into the 130's, and I've known for a while my people skills are not the best (unfortunately), but I do have great personal ambition and motivation. Anyways, what's up with the big difference in results? Obviously, I much prefer your test. Peter S., Chicago

Sloan replies:  Peter, you're fooling yourself in preferring my test. It was designed primarily to list the talents that research shows are present in high social skills individuals.  (See Unlike the Utne test, it is easy to guess the correct answers in my online SQ test.  Actually, the one test that really matters is what OTHERS think about your social skills.  And that can only be determined my doing a group SQ exercise, as at As you have noticed in yourself, social skills and IQ are unrelated talents.   Unlike IQ which is fixed,  your SQ can be improved by practicing the qualities suggested in the male SQ test (such as projecting a happy, optimistic attitude).  Combining improved social skills with your already high IQ and ambition will add to your success. 


"Glenn Sterley" <>  
Subject: Nice try
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:02:05 -0700

But when I put your own figures into the spreadsheet, what it shows is that those with above average IQ voted evenly for Bush and Gore (12-12), average (100) voted 6-5 for Bush, and below average (99-) voted 12-4 for Bush.  So regardless of whether the "internet hoax" is true or not, based on your own model the lower IQ range is more likely to vote for Bush.

Sloan replies: Glenn, the purpose of my state IQ webpage was to provide better IQ data than what had been available.   Politics was not a consideration.  The most likely reason for the lower IQ's in southern states is their large Black population.   African-Americans consistently test at an average 85 IQ level.   Since Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat, the political spin that Democrat voters are smarter is muddled.  


Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:39:26 -0700
From: " Timothy C."
Subject: Polygamy and IQ

Along with the culling that harsh environments and pogroms create, there is the additional factor of reproduction styles.  In China, for instance, the nobility had dozens of wives and a great many peasants had no opportunity to reproduce at all.  It would be interesting to show a graph linking polygamy and effects on IQ, since those men who have the most resources will have greater opportunities to reproduce.  The middle east and Utah could also be used as test cases, especially Utah since detailed records are still kept.

Sloan replies:  Timothy, you might be right in cases where wealthy/ bright individuals have had a lot of children.   But today many more children are being born in lower IQ areas, such as Africa and Latin America, than in higher IQ areas like Europe and China.   That new trend seems more relevant than polygamy in the past.  In any case, there isn't much IQ data from before 1950. 


"Malin Devins" <>  
Subject: IQ scores
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:46:33 -0400

Hello, I am searching for a list with all the different IQ scores for each states that will determinate if you are mentally challenged or not. I am doing a research paper for school.  Would you know where I can find something like that?  Thank you for your time,  Malin Devins, MI.

 Sloan replies:  Malin, my webpage lists average IQ for US states.  It also shows how those IQ's were calculated, using college admission test results.  Individual IQ's are a lot more varied.  For your research paper, you might find helpful.


"John Kuzma" <>  
Subject: Gifted article
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:44:17 -0400

I just read an article that was posted on the web regarding minorities in gifted education.  I was wondering what thoughts you may have regarding the different cut off scores based upon ethnicity.  I am assembling a gifted program in a charter school in Yougstown Ohio and I trying to select tests/assessments that would best serve this population.  I have not had great success locating culture-fair tests.  Can you help?

John, Eagle Heights Academy, Youngstown Ohio

Sloan replies:  John, you are struggling with the same problem that selective colleges deal with in admissions.  If you set different cut offs based on ethnicity, Asians and whites will complain.  If you don't, you will not achieve ethnic balance in an academically gifted program.  The fact that IQ averages around 103 for East Asians, 101 for whites, 92 for Latinos, and 85 for blacks means that all reasonable tests will produce weighted results.  The UC Berkeley admissions process produces a somewhat balanced class, but there is some truth in their campus scuttlebutt that Asians get A's, whites get B's, Latinos get C's and blacks get D's.  I think that recognition of IQ facts is much more honest than a fruitless search for "culture-fair" tests.   Point out to your students and parents that IQ is less than a third of what leads to financial success (see


Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Roger"  
Subject: IQ from 1958

I obtained my grade school transcript a few days ago and saw a reported IQ of 102 in 1959. I recall a grade school teacher telling me that I was not working up to my IQ.  Would the methodology of an IQ test taken in Missouri in the late 1950's give the same results of an IQ test taken today?  I attended grade school in Tennessee and recall meeting with two psychologists in the third or fourth grade before moving to Missouri and always thought it was odd.

Sloan replies: Roger, the IQ score you got in the late 1950's would be valid today.  The average IQ in Missouri is 101 (see so your schoolwork should have been around the class average.  For some reason it wasn't, so you were given an IQ test to check out one possible cause.  If the IQ test they gave you was individually administered (as opposed to a class test), then your 102 score is quite valid.  In comparison, IQ tests on the Internet do not have much reliability.


Subject: Quick Question
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:47:46 -0500

Howdy,  Both of my parents are in Mensa - and advised me to get tested albeit I am not of age to join. I took an IQ test administered through a college (RU) for around $400, and I scored a 149. Yet, I have always had trouble with my grades! What do you think is wrong with me - or what should I do?

Sloan responds: Congratulations on you high IQ score, Ryan.  For the $400 spent, the college should offer counseling on your IQ test results, including why you are having trouble with grades.  You also should ask your school counselor and a favorite teacher to advise you on your IQ/ grades difference.  College admissions officials do not like big discrepancies between grades and SAT scores.  The sooner you get things figured out, the brighter you future will be.   


"Dale Andrews" <>  
Subject: I.Q.'s of blacks vs. whites in America
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:02:22 -0500

Dear Mr. Sloan:

You deserve praise for your courage to tell the truth about the reasons  for I.Q. differences between blacks and whites. In the case of American blacks - who are far smarter than their African ancestors -  the differences are large enough for them to be a HUGE burden on white Americans, whose forefathers founded this country. The problems began with the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the forcible integration of public education. After the signing of the Act, our cities burned nightly for years, and even now, it takes little to set them off and boom: another riot.  America's  segregated schools were #1 in the world prior to the 60's. Whites resisted integration - for good reason. Now no caring parent would send their child to a school system with any significant black population. For northern liberals like Kerry and Kennedy, who've never had any real contact with blacks, exposing the reasons for intelligence differences means only one thing: the person making such a proclamation must certainly be a racist. The label is used frequently by such liberals like a stink bomb: it causes people to scatter and silences rational discussion. Keep telling the truth. The old saying goes like this: "The truth will set you free".

Respectfully,  D.H. Andrews

Sloan responds: Dale, I have a more optimistic view of the future for blacks in America.  Yes, most experts would agree that average IQ for African-Americans is fifteen points below the average IQ for other Americans.  But those same experts also agree that factors other than IQ (like social skills) account for MOST of the success of an individual.  (See  All evidence points to no racial differences in the average level of these other success traits.   It is unfortunate that so much is made of the low test results in the schools of Washington DC or Oakland CA.  Their largely black students grow up thinking they will be failures.  If such students could spend some school time working on their improvable non-IQ skills, they would become more successful in the job market.  IQ is largely fixed, so efforts to make black academic scores match country averages are not likely to succeed.  But non-IQ success skills for blacks could easily match and perhaps surpass similar skills of whites.  Look at all our successful, personable, black TV personalities!  


Subject: question?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:57:14 -0400

hey!    i hope you get this....and have some time to respond. i just stumbled across this web page. i have the worst social skills. i got depressed after high school trauma along with dysfunctional family trauma and went straight up boo radley. never left the house lived alone. ive been working full time and in counseling for almost two years, and my social skills have improved and anxiety reduced a little but not nearly enough. medication is no longer an option. my body is too sensitive to that stuff and i am clearer and happier without it. what can i do to improve self esteem..confidence..and especially social skills. i wanna go to college soon and take a new direction in life. im 22 years old. male. please say at least something.

Sloan responds:  Chad, it seems you are taking some good steps.   You recognize your problem, you are getting counseling, and you have a full time job.  On social skills, you might find that simply asking others about themselves is a useful first step.  There is little anxiety in being a good listener.  As you listen, you will learn that others have problems too, which should boost your self-esteem.   Gradually you will be sought out, as most people love the chance to talk about themselves!


Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:21:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Josh "  
Subject: IQ question

hi, I'm a 15 year old half hispanic male that recently took an IQ test that said my IQ is 130 and I was wondering If that is like an advanced kind of placement because on your website it says the average IQ of americans is 98 which is significantly lower then my score and I'm akso presuming that is of adults  I just really wanted to know if that was a good thing?

Sloan replies: Josh, a 130 IQ score is at the level of the top 2 1/2% of Americans. You can see a graph on IQ scores and information on IQ/ careers at my webpage. Hopefully you will do similarly well when you take the IQ-like SAT tests in a few years. That would help you get into an excellent college!


Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:34:20 +0100 (BST)
From: "Dileep Kuttan" <>  
Subject: social quotient

Dileep.P,, MEd Regular Student, University of Calicut, Kerala,  India.

Respected sir,        I am a student of the University of calicut,(Kerala state,India) Now I am studying for the course of  MEd  . We have to conduct a research work there. And I came to know about the 'social quotient ' and I would like to conduct my research work in that area.I collected many of the data available from the internet. Now I am in need of the following informations about the term social quotient.        1)the theoretical backgroung about the termSQ.        2)Is there any tool for measuring SQ other than the male,.female popularity test?If available please send me .       My guide is so much interested iin hearing about this SQand I too. If the above details about the term get, we will condut a research on Indian conditions. That will be a great advantage for our country, India.      So I humbly request that , please send me more information about social quotient as speed as possible. (especially the theoretical backgroung and the tool for measuring  social quotient)My Email address is given with my address above.  India,                                                            

Yours faithfully ,    Dileep.P

Sloan replies:   Dileep, thank you for your interest in Social Quotient.  The theoretical background for SQ is perhaps best explained in my webpage.  And yes, there is a tool for measuring SQ much more accurately than the male/ female personality tests. 

One of the best introductions to that tool is the newspaper article read by most classes before they do the SQ survey (at   You can see the SQ survey form and all the research findings from 2500 students who have taken it by clicking pages at (especially the bottom half).


"Catalano, Eloise" <>  
To: "''" <>
Subject: National records???
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:48:14 -0700

Is there a site that records IQ's taken during school years? How would one find out the actual number of ones IQ? Any info would be helpful. Thank You Eloise

Sloan replies:  Eloise, there is no such IQ records site. With privacy concerns, most people would strongly oppose such a site. If you know your SAT test scores, you can find your IQ from my page. A next best way is to take IQ tests on the Internet. Many are free, and their quality varies. But if several come up with similar IQ's for you, that may be close to your actual IQ number.


"Stangl, Gunnar" <>  
To: "''" <>
Subject: www.
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:30:17 +0200

Hi there,   I just had a quick look at this site and have to take some issue with the Figure 1 you are presenting there. To suggest a linear relationship between IQ and national wealth not only a rather obscure idea, it also lacks any support from the data presented! The data should be separated in 2 (<100 and >100) or even 3 (<90, 90-99.99,100+) There is virtually NO relationship for avg. IQs ranging from 60 to 90 (they are all poor, with the exception of your odd oil states ..) - and if you look at the 100+ category, the relationship is actually negative. If the line has been fitted by Lynn & Vanhanen, it's probaly their fault, but if it was your idea I would strongly suggest to remove it.

Kind regards, Gunnar Stangl, CFA, Director, Head of Debt Index Strategy, Research,Capital Markets, Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein, Risk comes from not knowing what you're doing, Warren Buffet

Sloan replies:  Sorry Gunnar, I have to disagree.  The relationship between IQ and national wealth is the major point of Lynn and Vanhanen's book.  The line in chart 1 reflects the high 0.733 correlation between IQ and wealth, and shows that the data DOES support the association.   Quibbling about the linearity of the relationship is for academics, not for a general information page on the Internet.  In any case, the chart and commentary were largely taken from another website:

Subject: Arab and South Asian IQs
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:11:36 -0400

According to the mean IQs of different nations, Arab and South Asian mean IQs are below average.  How is it that in the United States' leading technological institutions (such as MIT, Caltech, Rensselaer, etc), Arabs and South Asians make up a significant portion of the student body? Next, if India's mean IQ is 81 (well below average), then how come all the high tech jobs are being outsourced to India? Also, how is the average IQ measured in a country so greatly populated as India?

Sloan replies:  A populous country like India with an average IQ of only 81 still has a bell curve distribution of intelligence.  Thus the percentage of its citizens who are very bright may not be high, but they number in the millions.  There are plenty with high IQ's to compete for positions at top US colleges or in getting outsourced jobs.  India was one of the countries where the available IQ testing data seemed sufficiently reliable to the authors of IQ and the Wealth of Nations to be included in the 81 countries they list.  IQ data for neighbors like Pakistan are only estimates.

Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:02:25 EDT
Subject: Hi
To: name is Jessie, i'm 15 years old and I took an IQ test and my score was 136, i've been researching to see how good or bad that score is...can u please tell me how good or bad that is please???   I obtained a 136 out of what?

Sloan replies: Jessie, my webpage shows that 136 is higher than the IQ of 99% of Americans.  But most short IQ tests are not as reliable as college SAT tests, also shown on that page.  Hopefully you will also score well on your SAT's, helping you get into a good college!


"kim" <>  
Subject: Research Paper
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:59:40 -0400

Sir,  I'm in need of information to compare and contrast  Howard Gardner (Multiple Intelligence) and Charles Spearman (Model Intelligence) for a research paper. Any help possible will be a life saver.     Thanks, Klo

Sloan replies:  Klo, when I placed "Charles Spearman  Model Intelligence" in Google search, one quite helpful entry came up:  - which includes

In 1904, Charles Spearman postulated a multiple-ability, factor model of intelligence. Based upon data he gathered on British soldiers during the Boer War, Spearman asserted that there were two types of factors for intelligence: a single dominant g-factor (g standing for general); and subsidiary s-factors (s standing for specific). As in the above quote, your assignment makes more sense as "model of intelligence" rather than "model intelligence."       The above quote on that webpage is followed by information on Gardner, including: Scientists such as Robert Sternberg and Howard Gardener began to postulate the existence of mulitple intelligences. While both these theories have receive much attention in recent years, we shall focus on the seven-intelligence theory of Howard Gardener. You might also check out my webpage on Gardner:  which includes Gardner's theory is incompatible with g. The concept of g is an integral part of a widely accepted theory developed by Charles Spearman (1927) that intelligence is composed of a general ability (or g factor) which underlies all intellectual functions. Gardner argues that g has a scientific place in intelligence theory but that he is interested in understanding intellectual processes that are not explained by g.


Subject: test scores
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:09:09 -0500

I am working on a master's project to prove that using MI in the classroom will improve student success/ achievement/ test scores.  Can you help me find links, articles, etc. on this subject.  I am having trouble finding data.  Thanks, Holly Shaw

 Sloan replies: Holly, when I put "Multiple Intelligences will improve student success/ achievement/ test scores"  into a Google search, the first item listed was: -  on Differential Effects of a Multiple Intelligences Curriculum on Student Performance   book.  It looks helpful and includes a free download of first 25 pages of the book.  Other items listed in that Google search also may be helpful to you.


Corruption Perceptions Index
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:29:19 +0200
From: "Russell_Swanborough_-_BCX_-_Enterprise_Application_Solutio ns" <>  
Sir, Thank you for giving us the honour of a list on your sq e-mail site.  By coincidence, we were reading the 'Corruption Perception Index 2002' and it occured to us that there may be other correlations.  Finland, as least corrupt, has approx 50% private gun ownership. South Africa, about midway, has approx 5% private gun ownership. We wonder if the data is available from other countries that may show a broader correlation here?     Russell Swanborough & August Ndlovu

Sloan replies: Hello Russell & August:   Perhaps a Google search will help you find percentages of gun ownership in other countries.  It is unclear to me why a nation's corruption and gun ownership rates might be related.  I am forwarding your email to Ted in Thailand, who developed the pages on corruption for my website.  It is good to learn that you are finding my site stimulating!  (Copy to


"Rina Florido" <>  
Subject: social skills class
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:00 -0500
Good Morning    My name is Michael Canaday and I work for Effective Transitions Inc in Oklahoma City, Ok. I work with kids that are on probation, pregnant, children raising children and so forth. I have to teach a class on social skills and try to teach them how to find employment. I was wondering where I might find some type of questions or worksheets to help teach this class. These are high school kids also. Any help would be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is

Sloan replies:  Michael, I wish there were more materials for teaching social skills, particularly for older students.  Unfortunately social skills are more likely to be part of the curriculum in the elementary  grades.  One website aimed at older students is  

Additionally, there are a number of pages in my website  which you might want to copy and use with your classes.  Here are some of them:  - a newspaper article which most high school students enjoy reading and find a springboard for discussion.  or   - self tests  -  describes what leads to success  -Traits employers seek in job applicants


"Rick -----"
Subject: Social Quotient and Asperger's
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:20:08 -0400
Mr. Sloan, I have looked at your Website and was impressed with some of the information on the site. Much to my detriment, it is true that those who have good social skills tend to do better than those who don't-regardless of educational level and IQ.  My whole life, I tried to get by on my intelligence and education. It was my formula for career advancement. I tried to get by on my degree and it did not work. As a result, I have gone from job to job and make less money than many who only have a high-school diploma. A few years ago I was diagnosed with Asperger's as well as having a nonverbal learning disability. The problem is that I have done research which shows that social skills tend to be fixed by the age of 4. I am curious if you have any knowledge of either of those disabilities.

Sloan replies:  Rick, your email brought new information to me, especially on Asperger's syndrome, and how it affects social skills development.  I have checked out some websites on it, such as   Many of these websites include treatments for Asperger's.  This  indicates that social skills are not fixed from early childhood (as is IQ) and that can be improved.  My work with students (such as at supports the concept that social skills can be improved.   But you mention research showing that "social skills tend to be fixed by the age of 4."  Could you email me information on such research?   Thanks.

Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:39:12 +0200 
From: "Russell Swanborough - BCX - COA" <> 
Subject: IQ, culture, democracy and the wealth of the planet

Sir: We are great fans of your web-site and recent postings stirred us to add something that your readers may be stimulated to see as interesting and relatively new. These thoughts were triggered by 'IQ and the Wealth of Nations' and 'The effect of European people on Sub-Saharan African economies' discussed earlier in this electronic colloquy.

As far as we are aware, the first intelligence tests were formulated in the 1880's by the eminent British eugenicist, Sir Francis Galton, so IQ testing is over 120 years old. The need for the understanding of cultural effects in any kind of testing was apparently first formally identified in 1935 by the British military in India. Graham's old friend Victor Serebriakoff (late chairman of Mensa International) spent much time on the subject of IQ and its effects on the general population. Victor used to say that, in theory, a group of people working together should show the same IQ as the average of the IQ's of the group (e.g. if each member of the group had an IQ of 100, then the decisions and actions of the group as a whole should suggest a similar 100 IQ. In reality, of course, this is rarely - if ever - found. A well run family would probably show the highest 'group IQ', followed by successful companies and corporations, followed by western governments, followed by third world governments, with mankind as a whole showing precious little more intelligence than an amoeba growing in a laboratory-dish until its food was exhausted and it died in its own excrement. In other words, the world population - with its inability to work together and its destructive effects on our planet - exhibits a compound IQ close to zero.

One of the influences on this effect is that of culture. We were told that, in the attempts by the British army to identify 'officer material' from amongst the Indian recruits, they used a simple intelligence test that incorporated some visual puzzles. One of these was the side view of a simple pen-knife with the blade open about 45 degrees. In the handle of the knife were shown the three rivets - labelled a, b and c - that are classically used to hold a pen-knife together. The question asked the testee to identify the rivet that constituted the hinge for the blade. A puzzlingly high proportion of the Indian testees provided the wrong answer and a little research immediately showed why. Virtually none of the Indian recruits had ever seen a pen-knife before because they were not yet in common use in India. Clearly the question was not 'culture fair'. As a result of that observation, and in recognition of the need to remove all such imbalances, the negative effects of 'culture unfairness' have been effectively eliminated from all modern, British-based intelligence tests from reputable sources.

There was an interesting corollary to this story however, the test markers noted that if the testee was of above average intelligence, then he (no she's in the army) tended to be able to figure it out anyway and provide the right answer. This showed an important trend, that generally, any obstructive effect of culture fairness reduces in inverse proportion with the Intelligence Quotient (IQ) of the involved person (e.g. the higher the IQ, the less the apparent effect of culture fairness, and vice-versa); this is known as the 'Culture-Fairness-Effect'. It already helps to explain why, in general, high-flyers love IQ tests and low intelligence people vehemently object to them.

 Importantly, through empirical and eclectic evidence and logical deduction, it is easy to see this effect in action in such charts as the 'Bush / Gore / IQ' table shown elsewhere on these sites, and the results of government elections in all countries, but particularly third world countries. It may help to explain why democracy in Africa doesn't work, and why it will probably fail to work for at least the next ten decades (if IQ grows at 3 points a decade according to the 'Flynn effect'). To illustrate the point in broad-brush terms, the voting in democratic countries can be dramatically skewed by the 'IQ : Culture-Fairness-Effect' ratio. This is seen where the (minority) voters at the high IQ end of the scale will tend to be more results oriented and thus vote for the best political candidates or parties in terms of their ability to deliver, versus the (majority) voters at the low IQ end of the scale, who will tend to be more culture orientated and vote for a tribal or racial result which may be the least appropriate for the future as it will be largely constituted of the same low average IQ individuals found in the majority voting group. And the excellent book 'IQ and the Wealth of Nations' by Lynn and Vanhanen shows us what happens then.

This may also be a predictor of disaster with the current South African government 'reverse apartheid' policy of the deliberate displacement of whites from government and financial control and their replacement with blacks. Simple logic says that this is not a smart move. The chart earlier in your e-mail colloquy by Richard Sime showing 'The effect European people on Sub-Saharan African economies' appears to prove this by illustrating it graphically.

Kind Regards

Graham Swanborough and August Ndlovu

Sloan replies: Hello Graham and August - It's good to know that my website is stimulating thinking, as evidenced by your email. I too have been concerned about the outlook for places with substantially below average IQ's, as in Africa. Globalization has placed a large income value on IQ, where in the past other traits like physical strength or warlike attitudes have been associated the most successful. Now, within countries and in international competition, IQ is likely be a dominant force for the foreseeable future. There may be no easy ways to help nations with well below average IQ's. (Your letter and this response are now part of

From: "Jeff" <> 
Subject: national IQ 
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:27:52 -0400 

Hey there My name is Jeff and I am really interested in your site. But I was wondering if you have any information on how IQ is related to the nations educational budget, per capita. I am doing a project on this and even a website or anything would be appricated. Thanks a lot

Sloan replies: Jeff, by entering "spending per student primary" in a Google search, the first website shown provides the kind spending data I think you are looking for:

There is a similar page for secondary school expenditures. You could match it up with the IQ by nation data on my page. The education spending information is from UNESCO and shows "Public expenditure per student, primary level is the total reported current spending by the government on primary education, divided by the total number of pupils in primary education, expressed as a percentage of per capita GDP." You can get GDP/person data from my webpage - which came from

Hopefully this gives you a start on your project. When you have completed it, please send me an email copy. Your work may well be of interest to other readers of my site, which now gets around 2000 page views a day. For example, the /corrupt.htm page now on my site was offered by a reader in Thailand.

From: "Lisa Cheng" <> 
Subject: help please A.S.A.P 
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:30:20 -0600 

We are students from St. John's College Junior College, we have conducted a research similar to that of male-female IQ.(which is the smarter sex) We have read and studied the results and the overview in the website. We would like to know who conducted this research, or which organization sponsored this research. And why and how you have obtain these results and what are the reasons for obtaining these results? Can you kindly email me at as soon as possible.

Thanks, students of SJC-JC

Sloan replies: Your email makes me wonder if you got to the bottom half of my webpage, which starts out:

In this discussion of sex differences I rely mostly on chapter 13, "Sex differences in g", from Arthur Jensen's book "The g factor", and a little bit on chapter 4, "Conditions for excellence", from Hans Eysenck's book "Genius - The natural history of creativity".

Check out the chapters mentioned in the two above books. You should find there the supporting research you seek. The material is in my site because it seems to be of great interest and has been well researched. Do your findings differ? I would welcome getting a summary of what your research shows.

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT) 
From:  "Parhatsathid Napatalung" <> 
Subject: IQ and wealth of nations 

Dear Sloan:

Just to say hi about your information on IQ is the best I have found. I am currently helping out a friend on sociology PhD. thesis, which the information is based on my sources about nearly 2 decade ago.

At that time I also found a relationship between GDP and IQ, which was something like .60 correlation. However, looking at various cultures I found their levels of ethics is what really killing them or helping them.

So I drew a variable called corruption index (more like ethics index really) in relation to the country's GDP per capita. Its correlation was about .91 (probably an error then since corruption index was arbitrary but this later was corrected), later about two years ago I redid it and still I got an .82 correlation, which is acceptable based on about 100 countries. (I would like to do all but data were lacking).

Four outliers turns out to be a country torn by politics and war (China and Vietnam) and Japan (a country with an unusual culture of cooperation -which effects them economically and another country torn by an epidemic (AIDS). Of course, if I plug in the variable of "cooperative" variable along with "cooperation" (ethics, really) it went up to about.90. Of course, as in all social science, you get coincidence variables now and then.

I am sure you are not interested in this since it has nothing to do with IQ, but I come to say hi as I need some information on IQ (thank you), that might be useful towards helping out some minor outliers for my friend's thesis on white collar crime. (Occupation crime is really serious compared to street crime (20 times more damaging), what is more scarier is really human ethics!!! - no wonder businessmen and millionaires say that integrity and honesty is SO IMPORTANT!)

Again, I will always be a fan on your IQ website and will visit and read everything here, especially how you deal sensitively with the issue of race - not like the book on "Bell Curve". I find it very interesting and very fasciating. Thank you very much for the information provided for me on your website.


Sloan replies: Ted, thanks for your compliments. Yes, I do try to present an impartial view on IQ and other success factors. My website includes material from other sources that I find readable, balanced, and in tune with the latest research findings. It bothers me that much that is written in the social sciences seems to push various points of view. (That would never be tolerated in chemistry, for example. That's one reason the "hard" sciences are more respected and have progressed further.)

Your corruption index and related research sounds most interesting to me. And I bet it would interest the readers of my website as well. Of the 1500 pages of my site viewed each day, the IQ of Nations page is the most popular (about 400 daily views). And that page describes the reasons beyond IQ for national wealth differences.

If you would email me your findings on corruption's relation to national wealth, I would likely want to include a page on it in my website, crediting you of course. My site has grown well beyond providing information on the research I did on social skills. IQ and its effect on success are now what readers seem to want most (64% of page views). Your material on the effects of corruption could become another popular addition to my site!

PS Have you come across the links to the online chapters of my Economics textbook? As with IQ, I made a real effort to give a balanced view. It is gratifying approach has been welcomed by famous economists of both the far right and left. See: for their comments.

From: "Charles Emens" <> 
Subject: your web site on likeability 
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:28:14 -0500 

I am very interested in this topic. Can you give me guidance in getting more information on this topic. As a school psychologist, can you guide me toward research related to methods used to teach these skills to kids? Thanks for your help!!!

Becky Emens, Eds level school psychologist completing phd at Mississippi State University

Sloan replies: Becky, you have identified a key word on teaching likeability - research. There are a number of common sense programs available for teaching social skills. But none of them has rigorous supporting research, largely because there has been no standard for measuring improvement in student performance. My Social Quotient measuring system could provide reliable research results. But it has not yet been applied seriously to any likeability training program.

One key piece of research that applies to your concerns is the correlation of traits to Social Quotient scores (at The correlations were obtained by asking high school students to rate themselves on a variety of traits - then comparing those ratings to SQ scores (how students were viewed by their classmates on social skills). All good likeabiliy training programs should emphasize the traits that came out on top, which are not fully the same for women as for men. Interestingly, most physical characteristics did not appear as important for likeablity, contrary to popular belief.

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:06:48 -0700 (PDT) 
From:  "june edmonds" <> 
Subject: sq 

How does one raise one's sq as an adult? j

Sloan replies: June, people of all ages can and should work to raise their SQ - their ability to get along. Many have found these work:

1. Practice the traits that correlate with high social skills scores - at

2. Read the classic "How to Win Friends and Influence People" (summarized at It remains as good a guide as any on the subject of social skills.

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:39:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) 
From:  "Jim Y" <> 
Subject: Comment- IQ and nations 

Interesting info re earnings, IQ and ethnicity. For what it is worth, you may post the following one comment I have re environment and race. Sailer maintains that the percentgage of white genes appears to have little effect on black IQ scores. There is some other data to support this. As the Bell Curve showed, among those blacks that test at "genius" level, persons of African (continental Africa) and black Caribbean descent are overwhelmingly represented. Such persons typically have LESS white genetic material than African-Americans, supporting Sailer's point about the apparent limited effect of white genes. This confirms my own ancecdotal observations over many years in the US - the black "brainiacs" I have encountered were overwhelmingly very dark skinned people- i.e. people with less "white blood". Of course, the Asian example confirms the limited effect of white genes in a more dramatic way.

Also as conservative scholar Thomas Sowell points out, entire nations and ethnic groups have raised their IQ scores over time. This fact has often been concealed by the "renorming" of the scroes in various years to yield a "base average" of 100. But when researchers like James Flynn went back to the original baselines, entire ethnic groups (including white ethnics) and nations have registered increases, some of major proportions. This undermines theories that intelligence in certain groups is static or "in decline". See Sowell's article in "The Bell Curve Wars" and his seminal "Race and Intelligence" for the data.

Carlos Alberto


African explanation from book comments by Steve Sailer from

"A clear example of how a bad environment can hurt IQ can be seen in the IQ scores for sub-Saharan African countries. They average only around 70. In contrast, African-Americans average about 85. It appears unlikely that African-Americans' white admixture can account for most of this 15-point gap because they are only around 17%-18% white on average, according to the latest genetic research. (Thus African-Americans white genes probably couldn't account for more than 3 points of the gap between African-Americans and African-Africans.) This suggests that the harshness of life in Africa might be cutting ten points or more off African IQ scores...

"One potential explanation for why IQ gaps don't seem to be narrowing (for example, the white-black IQ gap in America has been about 15 points for 80 years or so) was offered by Flynn* recently. He argued that smart people, because they find cognitive challenges pleasurable, seek out more mentally stimulating environments, which in turn exercise their brains more, making them even smarter." (Flynn worked with book author Lynn in analyzing the "Lynn-Flynn effect," the increase in raw IQ scores about 2 to 3 points per decade)."

Sloan replies: Carlos, thanks for your thoughts and quote from Sailer. They are now linked to the bottom of my website's most read page (gets over 1200 readers per week). If that page and its follow-on continue to elicit comments, perhaps a separate IQ comments page would be appropriate, I have not done field research on IQ, as I have with social skills. But readers of my Social Quotient website seem to want more information on IQ. Thus I have added to my site what I believe to be the most interesting, clearly written, and most statistically valid information available on IQ, even when it is controversial.

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:14:10 -0700 (PDT)
From:  "eman daha" <> 
Subject: social intelligenc 

hello: my name is eman i am a teacher in the faculty of education in psychology. i interrested in the programs for developing social intelligence. i want your help about previous dissertation

with my all thanks

Sloan replies: Eman, social intelligence (knowing what is going on in a group) is not as valuable as "getting along" skills. See the difference and how Social Quotient can be used for measuring each, at

To my knowledge, there are no tested methods for improving social skills. My recommendations would be to:

1. Teach the traits that correlate with high SQ (social skills scores) - at

2. Have students read the classic "How to Win Friends and Influence People" (summarized at It remains as good a text as any on the subject of social skills.

From: "Lex Mail" <>
To: "van sloan" <> 
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:39:39 -0800 

Van, check out Trump's Apprentice show on NBC tonight at 8pm - bet you would like it. It largely deals with what makes for success, and reminds me of your Social Quotient website, which I thoroughly enjoyed. Lex

Sloan replies: Lex, thanks for your suggestion regarding The Apprentice. Yes, that TV show definitely ties in to my website on how one's social skills, ambition, and IQ affect success.

Every day now, over 500 pages of my site are being read by others. A new page on how IQ varies among nations ( is by far my most popular one, with 150 separate readers daily.

From: "Linda Chaudhuri" <> 
Subject: Permission to Link Your Site - "Social Quotient" 
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:40:17 +0530 

We checked out your site 'Social Quotient' and liked the content provided on it. Since we have a similar site offering IQ & Personality tests, we thought of putting a link to your site on ours. You can view your link at

In return we wish that you would put a link to our site on yours:

Title: - IQ & Personality Tests

Description: Check out our range of PhD certified Personality, IQ, Aptitude & other

Self-Assessment Tests. We also have loads of other fun tests that you would love.


Linda Chaudhuri,

Sloan replies: Thanks for putting a link to my SQ website on your site. In return, links to your site are now on my page.

From: "Richard Sime" <> 
Subject: Explaining Africa's variation in GDP 
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:18:24 +1300

Explaining Africa's variation in GDP

Lynn and Vanhanen study on "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" argued that: Sub-Saharan African nations were economically disadvantaged by low IQ. However the wealth variation between Sub-Saharan African nations does not correlate to variations in African national IQ. The wealth variation between Sub-Saharan African nations correlates strongly (R2=0.84) to the proportion of European people in the population.

Figure 1.

Note: The data for this graph was obtained from the CIA 2003 World fact book

In Figure 1, national per capita GDP is plotted against the percentage of European people present in Sub-Saharan African nations. The data shows that African nations without European citizens have an average per capita GDP of only US$1100. The data also shows that European citizens add an average of 68000 per person to African national GDP. This is a massive amount and cannot be explained by a slight boost in national IQ. Clearly Africa's white citizens have a flare for making money. In doing so they provide gainful employment for Africa's black citizens.

Black Africans appear to lack the entrepreneurial skills for wealth generation. A strong education focus on business skills may partially alleviate this problem.

 Sloan replies: Richard, your analysis does not surprise me. I do not claim to be an expert on IQ, but intelligence does interact with the social skills emphasized in my SQ website. While social skills do not seem to vary by ethnic group, IQ does, which seems to strongly affect a country's economic output. Thank you for your interesting analysis.

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:28:09 -0800 (PST) 
From:  "Jim Conzelman" <
Subject: SAT/IQ 

Thanks for your website at I found it very interesting and informative, including race and earnings findings.


Sloan replies: Jim, thanks for your feedback. The new pages on IQ and SAT in my Social Quotient website have been popular. Have you seen ? It focuses on race and earnings, and has become my website's most viewed page.

From: "Air `" <> 
Subject: social goals 
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:21:11 +0000 

Hello Sir,

I found your site about social skills and thought i'd drop you an email to ask you some things that have been a bit frustrating for me.

Ever since i was a little boy, I've always been interested in social interactions. My social skills has greatly improved, simply by the fact that I love people, and am a very empathetic person. But I continually feel a lack of confidence even though my social skills are above average compared to people in general. I am the type of person that can go to any part of town and know at least 5-10 people. I am the guy that can make the class reject feel awesome, while still being able to hang out with the coolest person in school. Yet, i still feel something missing, or rather, I would liek to improve EVEN more.

Please tell me what books i could read, what classes i could take, what to LOOK for, concerning development of social skills. Do i look under: savvy, social interactions? I have no clue where to look, I just know that I want to be the one that is "IN the know" in social situations..the one that is aware and concious of what is actually going on underneath social interactions, and not be blinded by ignorance.

Please let me know if you could offer any advice. And thank you ahead of time.


Sloan replies: Boreth, there are a lot self-help books on social skills, such as the classic "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Carnegie. But the recommendations in them have not been tested scientifically. Testing requires a measurement standard, which was lacking before my invention of Social Quotient. For my research on traits which boost one's SQ or likability, see

Until more research is done, common sense is a useful guide. I feel it is best to deal with people individually, trying to understand their motivations and to see matters from their point of view. Your empathy and liking for people should be a big help. Be aware that knowledge of what is going on in social situations does not necessarily translate into getting along skills. For more on this distinction see

From: <> 
Subject: SQ TEST 
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:57:21 -0900 

What does one do "if" they score more HIGHS than LOWS, but still don't feel they are socially adept at social skills? It kind of cracks me up because getting along with others has always been a challenge. I am a good friend to friends, but friends eventually, lie to me, borrow money and never return it, avoid me, don't invite me to funtions, however will ask me for favors, first person they ask to babysit, or confide in me.

In all honesty, if a person follows all the social skills, they are in essance "fitting in" to a role to be popular regardless of other people. Face it people are rude, selfish, imposing, ungrateful in general. Finding the few, who aren't this way is a blessing.

I am interested in improving interactions, communications with people. It's been a lifelong battle for me. Any information you can forward will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Melanie

Sloan replies: Melanie, you seem to have good social skills. But you need to work on your social intelligence. (See to distinguish between these two aspects of getting along with others.) When someone asks a favor of you, try to figure out their motivation. The better you understand why individuals act the way they do, the better you can figure out who your true friends are. In any case, you should know that many shy, unhappy people wished they had your basic skills in getting along with others.

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:49:14 -0900

Thank you Van Sloan.

It was a rewarding treat to learn I have some social skills, as far SQ test suggests. Often times, it "feels" as though I have very few. No doubt you're terribly busy with these tests. Just wanted to say thanks for kind words. Happy New Year 2004....may be be popular!


Date: 16 Oct 2003 11:01:44 -0000 
From: "prerna sachdeva" <> 
Subject: regarding EI

dear sir

i m prerna from India. i am planning to work on the relationship between EI and work performance. please send me some studies favoring and unfavoring it. i ll be very grateful to you.

thanks, prerna

Sloan replies: Prerna, my webpage shows what current research knows about the relationship of EI to career success. The link in item 3 on that page to three BarOn workplace studies should get you to the kind of work performance studies you are looking for. For another kind of work performance (of US Presidents), you might find interesting. It relates skill in aspects of EI (social skills, ambition, and integrity) to effectiveness of some well known leaders.

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:49:45 EDT 
Subject: question 

Hello, The information on your web site is very interesting. I teach some at-risk youth for the Vermont Department of Corrections, (not in the prison). I wonder how I might use your information to illustrate the criticality of education. Thanks very much, Carol Truesdell

Sloan responds: Carol, the challenge of at-risk high school students has become an interest of mine. Recently I have added suggestions on meeting their needs to my website, at

Low self-esteem and consequent lack of ambition seem to be at the core of the challenge of many at-risk students. My webpage may be helpful in motivating your students.

Show your students that employers look for much more than academic skills (see A student's overall school record, including attendance and discipline, can be useful in getting a job. One reason that high school grads get more jobs than their dropout classmates is that their diploma demonstrates they have ambition and acceptable social skills.

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:09:19 EDT  Thank you for this insightful information. 
Sincerely, Carol Truesdell

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:18:51 +0100 (BST) 
From: "nandhini munirathnam" <> 
Subject: social quotient 

dear sir, I am a student of MBA hospital management, I would require specific details for a power point presentation for around 15 minutes on social quotient. Net gives a very eloborate notes so kindly send me relevant details for the same. thank u

Sloan replies: Unfortunately I do not have a power point presentation on Social Quotient. In my presentations (many in high school classrooms), I find that the data from my webpage is a good starter. The graph there on income, and the 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 breakdown on success in point 4 on the page are attention getters.

Next, you might want to show the basic SQ survey form (at side_a.htm) and describe how the marks a person gets on it are determined only by others in his group. Your presentation might end with information from - including the traits employers look for in those they hire and other links on that page.

Good luck in developing your presentation. I definitely would welcome a copy of what you develop (perhaps to add to the SQ website). Do let me know if you have further questions. I'll be interested to hear how your presentation is received.

hello sir, thank u very much sir for the reply sent. I've already collected those information from the google. If not a power point presentation, a overall summary of SQ is essential sir. i've already got the information u've sent in the respective sites. can u just provide me some applications of SQ. Await ur reply, thank u M.Nandhini

Sloan replies again: For an overall summary on SQ, see (a conference presentation I gave). There are many applications of SQ and of the unique method used to collect SQ information.: - for getting a higher paying job - a new system to help employees with poor social skills - to help in one's college admissions - on using the SQ method to get a handle on traits difficult to measure

Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:34:09 -0400 
From: "Jason Popoff" <> 
Subject: Hello 

I just tried your male test for SQ online and I could not get a score. Can you email me a rubric for the test? Do you have any other links/sites that I can visit regarding social skills? Thanks.

Jason J. Popoff, Behavior Manager

Hope Classroom, Spring Grove High School, Spring Grove, PA 17362

Sloan replies: The online SQ tests, for privacy and programming reasons, do not automatically calculate scores. But you can easily compare your number of high and low marks, giving an indication of what my research has shown to be major components of social skills. For a scoring mechanism, you could use something like the SELF magazine article's rubric for a female test.

For other links/ sites on social skills, there are many of them throughout my SQ website. My page has a number of links on how social skills relate to an individual's financial success. For other types of links, you might start with the page that outlines my entire SQ site ( You could click there on topics that interest you, such as how social skills help in getting jobs.

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 06:34:24 +0000 (GMT) 
From:  "yashwardhini chauhan" <> 
Subject: from a student of psychology 

hello! i am yashwardhini chauhan, i am doing my masters in psychology from maharaja sayaji rao university , baroda, gujarat, india.i am doing my dissertation on emotional intelligence in university students, it would be kind of you if you can send me resarch articles done on emotional intelligence on very less work has been done in this area in my country.thanking you in anticipation.

Sloan replies: My webpage r_iq_ei.htm outlines current research findings on emotional intelligence. For example, my work with high school students shows that females score higher on the social skills aspects of EI, while males may score higher on other parts of EI. My whole website details those social skills findings for 2500+ students. For site links to related research findings, see:

From: "lemurlf" <>
Subject: SQ questions 
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:50:57 -0600

I am a graduate student doing research on leadership self-efficacy and social skills. Could the SQ be used in this kind of research and if so does the SQ have any subscales?

Lance Freeman

Sloan replies: My webpage summarizes current research findings how self-skills and social skills contribute to success. SQ is the only unbiased measure of social skills that I am aware of, and it could be helpful in your research. SQ does not have subscales. However, the process for measuring SQ (using the opinions of others) can be easily adapted to measure other important but elusive traits, such as integrity. See If you could let me know more about your project, I might be able to help further.

To: "Van Sloan" <> 
Subject: self esteem and attractiveness
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2002 10:42:05 -0800 (PST)  

I consider myself a loving, caring, sensitive, giving man...but because I am not deemed "great looking," my life is that much harder. Trying to find a date that doesn't reject me; dealing with being teased about being "unattractive," is extremely difficult. Looks/beauty opens many many doors. When people say "its whats on the inside that counts," they are full of bullshit. How do people get to know you if they don't like your looks. Plus, being in the gay world, putting up with looksism i to the extreme. I like who I am. I hate what I look like because it makes my life 100 times more difficult. Inclosed my pic so you can see the beast

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Sloan replies:
I'm not a psychologist or dating counselor, but it
seems to me that your looks are not a problem. 
Instead, I wonder how upbeat and smiling an image you
project when you are with others.  (Why doesn't your
photo feature a cheery smile, for example?)

In addition to 1 on 1 dating, have you tried
socializing in gay activity groups - as for hiking, 
nude parties, etc?  I'll bet you would find in them
many who would think you were more attractive than
themselves - especially if you were talking in a
cheerful, friendly manner.  You might try making
friends first, then move on to more serious dating.

Hope this helps.



Thanks for writing back. They had done studies with a group of 200 gay men. Gay men will complain they can't "make friends," because the bar scene isn't conducive.

The researchers paired rated the men according to a beauty scale. They paired off the men and created an environment where they would have to talk/share. At the end of the "long" date, the researchers would ask the guys if 1) they enjoyed the date; and 2) would you go out again with this person. They found that men answered yes, if and only if, they were physically attracted. Things such as interests/hobbies, social skills, friendliness etc... had nothing to do with if they would go out on a date again.

I have found this to be true, especially with men. I do smile/joke/empathize/listen/show care and concern....all this doesn't matter. It's "if I find you attractive, then I'll consider your other qualities." This has been shown in so many studies. Of course "once and a while" I meet someone who doesn't judge on looks; but this is soooooo rare.

I've gone to gay bowlig groups, rap groups, dating personals, meet people at concerts/museums etc... basically it's the same story. Looks first, ask questions later!

Sloan replies again:
I don't doubt the gay research you described.  The bar
atmosphere (straight or gay) does seem to place undue
emphasis on shallow characteristics.

My research indicates that physical attractiveness
alone is not a good indicator of social or financial
success.  Charisma, an inner glow, enthusiasm for what
one does, a great smile - are all more important than
physical beauty, in my findings.  Emphasizing them,
rather than hair transplants or cosmetic surgery,
ought to improve one's chances for social success.

Good Luck!

PS Would you really want to have a long term
relationship with someone who placed primary emphasis
on physical characteristics in another?   Have you
analyzed your own reactions to men less attractive
than you?  (Would you date a fat guy in a wheelchair,
for example.  Why not?)


Hi Sloan,

I'm enjoying our dialouge! True, inner confidence, self esteem etc... are extremely important. However, unattractive people are at a disadvantage. They "do" get treat differently than their attractive counterparts.

Studies have shown that more attractive children get hugged and cuddled more often; attractive students get called on by teachers more often; attractive people have an edge over salaries/promotions and getting hired in the workforce. Being constantly teased, ignored, taunted, rejected, called names....leads unattractive people to develop more self esteem problems and social problems than the attractives.

It's great to say "inner beauty" is what counts. But unfortunately, many don't see or respect the inner beauty. It takes an unattractive person and incredible amount of fortitude and striving to feel okay about themselves. Attractive people don't go through this...they are already welcomed with open arms by others. An unattractive person on a date has to work his personality and charms overtime to try to impress his date. I myself have had dates with very average or slightly below average guys. Many times I've heard: "You seem really nice and interesting, your very funny, I feel comfortable with you.." etc... BUT "You're just not my type!" So much for inner beauty. Very few people, especially men, cannot get beyond the "looks thing." They lose out in the end, but also they make everyone else miserable.

From:  "Kat Velayo" <
Subject: social intelligence 
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:13:18 -0800 (PST)       

Hi, i am a senior at the Ateneo de Manila University in the Philippines. I came accross your website on Social Quotient. It was of particular interest to me because my thesis is on the effects of computer use by pre-school children on their development of social competence. Would you have any insights to contribute on the subject? And what would be more appropriate for me to use as part of my theoretical framework, Thorndike's social intelligence or Gardner's interpersonal intelligence? Thanks for your time!

Katrina Velayo

Sloan replies: Katrina, one insight I would offer is that there is a measurable difference between social (or interpersonal) intelligence vs likability. Likability (Social Quotient) is the quality more tied to a child's future success. You can read about the differences at my www.SQ, I don't see much if any difference between Thorndike's and Gardner's intelligences on relating to other people. Personally, I find most useful the view of Spearman that intelligence is one unified quality, with likability, musical skills, and other so-called "intelligences" better defined as talents. For example, interpersonal skill seems to be much more related to an attractive smile than to brainpower. I don't have any Social Quotient experience with pre-school children, and would welcome hearing about your findings in that area.

(From ) "Thorndike drew an important distinction among three broad classes of intellectual functioning. Standard intelligence tests measured only "abstract intelligence". Also important were "mechanical intelligence - the ability to visualize relationships among objects and understand how the physical world worked", and social intelligence - the ability to function successfully in interpersonal situations". Thorndike called for instruments to develop measures for these other types of intellect....His intellectual development of this multi-factored approach to intelligence contributed to a great debate with Charles Spearman (Spearman proposed a single, general intelligence factor 'g') that encompassed twenty five years."

From: "Angelopoulos, Paul" <> 
Re: Your review
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:36:22 -0400

Dear Van,

My name is Paul Angelopoulos. I am currently employed for the Research and Development branch of the Canadian Department of National Defence, in Toronto Canada. I am currently assessing the psychometric properties and the utility of the AQ, developed by Paul Stoltz. I had the opportunity to come across your comments concerning the this measure, and found them to be quite intriguing. I was wondering if you had any other information that might be helpful in my assessment of the AQ. I would greatly appreciate your input and value your opinion.

I would also appreciate any information that you could forward concerning the SQ that you have developed. Any information that you posses pertaining to the psychometric properties, or overall utility of either scale would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time,

Paul Angelopoulos, MSc.

DRDC, Toronto Canada (416) 899-7224

Sloan replies: Paul, thanks for contacting me. Sharing thoughts should contribute to greater knowledge for each of us! Your email reflects the limited state of current findings on the factors that lead to success. I believe that Adversity Quotient and Social Quotient are both reasonable attempts to measure some of the many skills that lead to success. In a group of similar individuals (as employees in the same line of work), both AQ and SQ can point out likely winners - each based on different talents.

But the developer of AQ believes it is a more powerful, universal success predictor than any other measure. Most researchers and business leaders do not agree. Instead, the consensus is that getting along with others is of greater importance to a person's success. The academic community at present believes that success is due roughly 1/3 to IQ, 1/3 to social skills, and 1/3 to self skills, like integrity and dealing with adversity.

Unfortunately, the psychometric properties of AQ and most other psychological measures are often much influenced by the test takers' bias. People mark answers consciously or unconsciously to fit with what they think will make them look good, rather than what they really feel. IQ tests are one instrument where that kind of bias is minimal. Social Quotient is another, because SQ results are totally based on what others think about you, not what you have marked for yourself. Self-bias is eliminated in the Social Quotient method.

The new method of SQ surveys also suggests ways of measuring important traits that to date have not really been testable, due to self-bias. Currently the Law School Admissions Test organization is looking at the SQ approach for measuring integrity, ability to instill confidence, and other traits deemed desirable in future lawyers. They are not satisfied with their largely IQ oriented LSAT used in most law school admissions procedures. I would think that defense organizations would also be interested in measuring similar traits. (For more on this, see my page

One area where proven Social Quotient methods could right now provide useful hard data for defense organizations is in some important qualities of a good leader. Webpage is based on correspondence with a prominent Harvard professor on findings that SQ can measure both an individual's likability and his understanding of the social dynamics in a group. These unrelated skills are each valuable traits in leaders, traits which can be improved with some effort.

The Social Quotient approach has been welcomed by other leading psychologists at Yale, Cornell, and Stanford (see as adding to our knowledge of success traits. I would feel more confidence in Adversity Quotient if it had the backing of dispassionate researchers of similar stature. Stoltz has some business leaders lauding his approach, but I have not seen the kinds of academic, hard data for AQ that Goleman, for example, included in his second EI book "Working With Emotional Intelligence."

Hopefully these thoughts are helpful to you, Paul. I would welcome hearing more about your assessments of AQ and similar measures. As you may gather, my interest (and prodding of colleagues - as you can see I got Sternberg to do to Gardner) is in hard analytical data, rather than broad-brush generalizations that sell books or become the latest fad. Let's keep the dialogue going!

From: "Joseph Peñaflorida" <> 
Re: URGENT!!! Yer self-esteem inventory...
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:16:16 -0700 (PDT)


I am a third year high school student of the Iloilo National High School - Special Science Class presently conducting a study entitled, "Work Attitude and Self-Esteem of Iloilo National High School Teachers."

In this connection, I would like to ask for a copy of your self-esteem inventory through this email. I would also like to ask for your permission to use the said Self-esteem Inventory in my thesis. I will give you proper citation.

Has the said questionnaire undergone validity and reliability test? I really need your help for the success of my study. Thank you very much.

Sincerely, Joseph P. Peñaflorida

Sloan responds: Joseph, you are certainly welcome to use any of the forms in my Social Quotient website. Those forms do not address self-esteem issues directly. Instead they are processed to measure social skills and social intelligence (as described at In turn, social intelligence (the ability to understand the social dynamics within a group such as a classroom) correlates with well-respected, skilled teachers. In that way, SQ surveys can provide a measure related to the self-esteem of teachers. A useful example is on page - and a link at the bottom of that page goes to a page on SQ Validity, which you asked about. You also might want to see my page. To get copies of SQ survey form blanks, go to - it has links to all the pages on my Social Quotient site. You are tackling a challenging piece of work - good luck!

From: "-------" <>
Subject: inquiry
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:18:22 -0800 (PST)

Dear Mr. Sloan,

Throughout my life, I've been told by everyone I know that I am a very social person. However, I find that highly unlikely. I constantly find myself struggling with keeping a conversation flowing, or taking a joke lightly. I do not make friends that easily, but am good at small talk. I find myself too anxious or uncomfortable when I am one-on-one with an unfamiliar individual. On the other hand, I seem to be very comfortable in busy crowded settings and/or events. I am confused as to how I may find some answers to all this confusion. I would like to find out more about your SQ or any "social skills" tests. Do I need to order it? If so, what is the price including shipping and handling. Would you have any further suggestions for me in addition to this? Thank you for all your help.

Sloan responds: You are fortunate that others see you as quite social. You would likely score well in my Social Quotient test. And you likely will earn more money than others who are thought to have fewer social skills.

But often individuals are better in either a one-on-one situation or in a group setting (your strength). Such differences can indicate more about one's self-esteem or confidence than one's social skills. You may be afraid to let others see you as you really are, feeling you won't measure up to their expectations. Perhaps if you realized that others you talk to privately also have their own anxieties, you might feel more confident in sharing your inner thoughts. You obviously understand that small talk is not true communication.

Unfortunately, my SQ test and expertise do not cover the kind of self-confidence/ interpersonal comfort you may need. While I appreciate your interest in purchasing my Social Quotient test, it probably would not be a big help in your situation. Instead, you might want to do some reading in the self-esteem area. It seems that your problem is with your own comfort level, rather than how others view you socially. I'll bet you view yourself more harshly than others do. Hope this helps!

From: "tcroll" <> Trevor Croll Pty Ltd
Re: Self esteem and criminal behaviour
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:26:29 +1000
Are you sure it is a good idea to raise a person's self esteem. Later research done on prisoners in jails indicate that many criminals have very high self esteem. They believe so much in their right to inflict upon others. I do not have these references.
Social skills I would think would be the measure of success. Those with very high self esteem and very low social skills would believe in their god given right to other people's property but would be unable to negotiate a fair deal in exchange (ie get a job etc) and so are left with no other option but to take it. I would be interested in your comments
best regards, Trevor Croll
Student teacher, University of Technology Queensland Australia

Sloan responds: Trevor, you raise an interesting issue. Yes, improved social skills, as measured by Social Quotient, are seen by corrections officials as helpful in the rehabilitation process. Normally self-esteem would rise along with one's ability to get along with others.

But I am not enough of an expert in self-esteem or criminality to assess their inter-relationship. For youth, there does seem to be a correlation between low self-esteem and anti-social behavior. For more on this inter-relationship, let me refer you to a friend who largely started the self-esteem movement, Bob Reasoner. He can be reached at

From: "Joel Fass" <>
Re: Your website
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:21:20 -0800 (PST)
I hope your link is still "alive" (it was dated 2000). I discovered it doing a Web search on----guess what----'dealing with difficult people'. As a musician, trust me, you need a PhD in it to get through the average day. You just cannot beleive the egos, energy vampires, etc. However, living and working as a jazz musician in a worldwide hub for the music (I live and work in NY) the upside is you don't HAVE to take anyone's crap (at least when you lead the jobs, that is!)
I skimmed through your SQ idea and will read more. The only thing that perplexes me, however, in my admittedly superficial reading of the material so far is a statement that seems to imply that if you smile enough and your 'self-esteem' is high, you'll make more money. I assume from the thrust of your discourse that you're coming from the business world. In the brutal racket of the arts, however, it's much more realistic to me to subsribe to the 'the good die young' school. I've known too many people in the jazz world that were brilliant, warm, open people that wound up either being ill-treated, ignored, self-destructed, or all of the above. I try to be positive and move straight ahead myself, but the stress of dealing with constant competion and rejection can be quite trying. On the other hand, no one puts a gun to anyone's head and tells them they better be a starving artist or else. We do it for love, and ideally because (at least to me) the purpose of music is to make friends. If you're in jazz---a woefully shunted aside endeavor as art OR entertainment---for the money or recognition (unless you're Wynton Marsalis or the lucky handful like him) BOY, are you barking up the wrong tree. Finally, self-esteem itself (such as it is---we humans are the only species that even bothers with this stuff) is compicated and fluid----predicated on many subtle and sometimes unknowable factors. Reading self-help books, etc. is OK, I guess, if someone wants to----but I personally think time is better spent not worrying about things like that----indeed, not contemplating such weighty matters at all; life has a way of going by VERY fast, especially if your thinking about and not LIVING it. Just try to be decent and fair along the way.
Enough digression. I guess what troubles me is that there don't seem to be any pat, formulaic answers to these or any of life's problems (should there be? We're all put together differently) other than to be humble, take it as it comes, and never let your dreams die but keep your expectations low. I personally can't smile when there's nothing to smile about. And there's NOTHING I'd rather do----I'm a well known cut-up (he said humbly). And, as I said, pay and/or accolades in my experience don't seem to have any proportional relation to the above-mentioned talents or qualities. It's the old story about the 'squeaky wheel', etc. I just accept it and live for those thrilling moments when I play with great (by that I mean mature, wise, and gifted) players, and magic happens. If I can just survive and have occasional experiences like that, almost nothing else (besides my many cherished friends, of course, and a few diversions)is even worthy of my consideration.
Also, under the rubric of 'difficult people' I think many people are threatened by blunt honesty. I personally can't help but be that way, though I try not to hurt anyone. I think such forthrightness critical to being a good musician. You just can't fake being genuine, you either are or you ain't----and I think it goes accross the board to personal (and business)relations. The thing is, I find myself more often than I care to be at loggerheads with equally intense people----and it's so DRAINING. Maybe what I'm saying is that, in my experience, honesty is so rare (especially in the business world) that if you look someone in the eye and tell 'em what you think (especially about them)they're often shocked and terrified. They can brand YOU as difficult, not a team player, etc. Bull. Anyone who doesn't respect well-modulated, non-self absorbed honesty senstively presented is not worth dealing with to me. The rub is that you HAVE TO deal with them. It can be pretty draining.
Well, I've gone on a bit and my opinions ARE strong, but only opinions----no more, no less and based on much reflection on experiences. If anything here resonates feel free to respond.
Joel Fass (Riverdale, NY)

Sloan replies: Joel, your lively note has encouraged me to think about what leads to success in the artistic and performing world. If success is defined in financial terms, then artists like Wynton Marsalis do seem to fit into the general mold. Marsalis' social skills (as in organizing groups and getting support) and his self-skills (like ambition and time management) probably play as important a role in his financial success as does his musicianship. There are likely some equally gifted horn players who lack Wynton's other skills, and consequently are earning much less money.

But if success is defined as impact on the world, then artists of sheer genius come out on top. Beethoven or Mozart rank higher today than their fellow Viennese, Joseph Strauss Jr. Yet Strauss earned far more money, due to his abundant non-musical talents. Today we don't care if Beethoven was a grouch, or that Mozart was crude, but their reputation then as "difficult people" hurt their money earning ability. Similarly in the sports field today, George Foreman has a bigger income than Mike Tyson, due to his greater people skills.

You described "warm, open people that wound up either being ill-treated, ignored, self-destructed, or all of the above." Having successful social skills involves much more than smiling a lot. Individuals in any field who are ill-treated or ignored are doing something ineffective in their relationships with others. Similarly, self-destructive behavior indicates a major flaw in a person's self-skills (which encompass much more than self-esteem). Often such individuals blame the world for their ills, when they might more profitably look to their own character and wonder if they are not a "difficult" person like Beethoven.

I sympathize with what must be a challenging world for performing artists. With tools like Social Quotient, we are just beginning to measure and understand the many traits that lead to financial success. For most people these include social and self-skills as well as technical competencies like musicianship. Good luck, and thanks for sharing your thoughts!

From : "Madhumathi.N" <>

To : <>

Subject : emotional intelligence

Date : Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:02:07 +0530 (IST)

hello, i am doing a thesis titled " THE SIGNIFICANCE OF EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE IN BUSINESS".It will be of great help if you could provide me with information regarding the websites available and other sources available. regards, madhu.

Sloan replies: Madhu, let me recommend my webpage - it has links to much of the research findings on Emotional Intelligence. The link to the three BarOn workplace studies may be particularly relevant to your thesis topic. My whole website deals with a way of measuring the social aspects of EI, or about 50% of total Emotional Intelligence.

When you put together a list of sites on EI, I would welcome getting an email copy. I am always looking for hard research data and findings on Emotional Intelligence.

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